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Celtics Morning Joe: Loyalty tainted

Posted by shawn cassidy on June 16, 2013 at 5:00 AM



How did we get here? What's the end game? I know it's boring right now on the Celtics front, but did any of us want front row seats to the circus that has become the Celtics. Sadly, there are sides to be taken, opinions to be had. Many of us will disagree, and many of us will agree with some folks. We snailed along the never ending road,with only our footsteps to keep us company. Nothing has made sense. Doc you say a few words,  here and there, many of them I don't get.
I'm drowning in my thoughts right now, and it shouldn't be this way.


  This was ESPN's front page as I write this.






When it comes to rumors I hardly jump on them. They usually fall apart and they die quickly. This rumor has meat. When a rumor hits the front page of ESPN's NBA page. There is some truth to it, if not the entire truth. I've stayed away from this topic for a couple of days now. But now I can't hold back.



Becoming extinct in life is loyalty.Crumpling to the ground with lost dignity like a piece of paper that loses meaning. Loosing the shimmer of its novelty is loyalty in this day and age. Dying slowly in hands of reality is past loyalty that showed us all what we could look forward to. Look at today's biggest star in Lebron James. He spat in the face of loyalty.  Loyalty is where the heart is? In eternal lengths and depths.Bound in love, and sealed in courage? The heart could be selfish? Loyalty could be someone who would die for you, lie for you, or stand by your side.
Take a shot to the chest and still try to fight for you. Nobody's asking Doc to take a bullet, but why not more with basketball. 


Doc could have been fired after his 24-58 season in 2007. Many teams, owners, or GM's would have moved on. Doc was fortunate to have a GM like Ainge giving him a chance to coach a once and a lifetime team with the new 'Big Three' and Rondo. Danny believed and Doc, and he continued to do so. Of course we don't know the ins and outs of their relationship. But it seems like Doc is unhappy. If he was happy we wouldn't be at this point. Loyalty aside with Doc. I could care less about him if this is true. How can he come back, and why should we allow him back so easily as fans. Of course we don't have the say in who coaches, but we can decide to speak our minds. Loyalty is a joke these days, everyone has their own opinions on the matter. I wish I could articulate how I feel a bit more on the loyalty spectrum side of this.


All I can say is this. Why should we welcome Doc back with open arms, and why wouldn't Danny say enough? I feel like the Celtics are held hostage right now because of Doc. It seems to be like that more than it should. I feel like the biggest concern I have is the repercussions of Doc's actions. Is Rondo okay with all of this. Does Rondo take this personal? On the other side of the country is Chris Paul on the Clippers. Rondo's rival.



Deep reflections now assess the actions of Doc. Blunders from those decisions that need to be addressed. Costly wars and human losses are not literal but mental in sports. 'Regime change' through devastation?  Who answers now for those lives or careers shaken up? How can this team move on? Were not talking about a player asking for a trade. Were talking about the coach. That's a totally different ball game. That's Doc telling Rondo, Green, and Bradley to shove it. Even if it's not Doc's intention. His actions show that. I think their is no going back. As much as I love Doc. He's made a vital mistake. How can he control the damage control on this? I won't harp on my feelings about Doc's lost season in 2013. Rondo has been a victim in this. Can you tell me that Doc has made an effort in giving this team to Rondo? Please tell me if he has, because I don't see it. It has been exposed. Why can't we face it?  Those disenfranchised, did not create or cause your current dilemma. But perhaps Doc did himself.




I will finish with this. From the bottom of my heart I love Doc as Celtics coach. But I have felt for a long time now that he's a bit over it, and that he's not 100% into it. I don't want Doc if he's not engaged with this team. If he's burnt out, why would he look for anther coaching job elsewhere? He's not burnt out, but he's over Boston perhaps.


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14 Comments

Reply NeCsFan
7:33 AM on June 16, 2013 
Ok after 2 failed attempts to post a response, this is the Cliff's notes of the Cliff's notes version lol. 1. Loyalty is dead in the NBA and i naively thought the Cs were impervious to this. 2. I'm not really hating on KG or PP for whatever their part may our may not be (however i do think the captain wasn't as willing as he said he was to hand the reins over to Rondo. 3. This entire scenario supports my personal theory that the whole Rondo's our leader bs was just that. I actually think he tried and aside from DA and maybe KG, Doc and the other vets never had any intention of letting Rondo lead a sing along let alone the team. 4. I feel Rondo and the number this whole shit show must be doing on him (and to a lesser degree AB and JG). I also see a Bob Ryan led 'this is all somehow Rondo's fault' campaign in the near future. 5. Doc and Danny got some splainin to do. 6. I've heard less gossip working on fashion photoshoots...and that's saying a LOT
Reply paul
8:23 AM on June 16, 2013 
I love your point about fans. We don't have a say in this, but we do have a right to say what we think. I don't want Doc back. No way. It's not just that he seems to have spent the time since the season ended flirting with a McChampionship, just like Ray Allen. It's also that he's shown no consideration at all that I've been aware of - and maybe we just haven't seen it - about what went wrong this season, and his part in it, and the lack of preparation, and the lack of ideas. So go find your easy Ring, Doc. What about Miami? Would they want you there? Why not? Reunite with Ray Allen, maybe bring in KG and PP. Cheapo rings for all.

And the thing about Rondo is so perverse. This is now the second time that Doc, KG and PP have - apparently - pretty much demanded to play with Chris Paul (I"m assuming that one way or another PP is part of this picture), rather than Rajon Rondo. Or is it Rondo who has been pushing behind the scenes for Doc, KG and PP to go? It's hard to believe that Rondo would want KG gone, and he seems close to Doc, but he's also pretty smart. He must realize that some big changes just need to happen.
Reply paul
8:24 AM on June 16, 2013 
NeCsFan says...
Ok after 2 failed attempts to post a response, this is the Cliff's notes of the Cliff's notes version lol. 1. Loyalty is dead in the NBA and i naively thought the Cs were impervious to this. 2. I'm not really hating on KG or PP for whatever their part may our may not be (however i do think the captain wasn't as willing as he said he was to hand the reins over to Rondo. 3. This entire scenario supports my personal theory that the whole Rondo's our leader bs was just that. I actually think he tried and aside from DA and maybe KG, Doc and the other vets never had any intention of letting Rondo lead a sing along let alone the team. 4. I feel Rondo and the number this whole shit show must be doing on him (and to a lesser degree AB and JG). I also see a Bob Ryan led 'this is all somehow Rondo's fault' campaign in the near future. 5. Doc and Danny got some splainin to do. 6. I've heard less gossip working on fashion photoshoots...and that's saying a LOT


I just have to say, word. Word word word.
Reply paul
9:36 AM on June 16, 2013 
I keep wanting to say that recent developments put the Clippers game last season in a new perspective. To me, that game, where the Cs were coming off a big win over Brooklyn and they then lost the climactic game to the Clippers, who were on a roll, getting blown out, and then proceeded to lose another five straight games by blowouts, was the turning point of the season. It was clear at the time that something very serious had happened behind the scenes. The way the team gave up on itself on that west coast swing was about more than the way basketball and jet lag don't mix well.

Something happened. I think that what happened - and yes I'm speculating - was that Rondo got into a fight with the others in the locker-room after the Clips game, and then later there was some kind of meeting between Chris Paul and the same guys - maybe they just ran into each other - but I'd guess that they discussed the future. And the future is now.

So let's make the deal happen and let the future begin. Whatever evil seeds were planted during and after that Clippers game, let them bear their proper fruit now.
Reply NeCsFan
11:58 AM on June 16, 2013 
@Paul I can totally see how you would think that. But, KG actuallycame out and talked about Rondo's injuries not too long after that, saying he was pretty injured and probably shouldn't have played in that game, and then went on to say that nobody knew how much Rondo plays through. So to me those words from KG were an endorsement of what he thought of Rondo's toughness. I do think though that a serious issue happened with that team early in the season. I was really turned off by how much the new additions bitched about not touching the ball enough. Seemed like they all got collective amnesia about how the team was supposed to work this season. Doc - now that I think about it - was very noncommittal with a lot of his words and coaching decisions this season. If I'm KG right about now I'm thinking I didn't sign up for this drama. If I'm PP I'm thinking really? This is what my loyalty had gotten me? And the whole Rondo CP3 thing to me is a complete joke. They are both phenomenal, it's like trading apples for apples. The only thing Paul has on Rondo is maybe a less grating personality, but all things considered #9 is far more accomplished than Paul so I'm always confused when people claim he's so much more superior. I just he whatever happens it doesn't poison next season. As it looks right now though this is and probably has been pretty ugly for a while. And like I said before, now the horrible chemistry from this season doesn't seem so strange
Reply paul
12:09 PM on June 16, 2013 
I love everything you say NeC, and I agree - if I read you right - that KG is the least involved in all this mess - he just seems almost fanatical about going where Doc goes, plus as much as he made excuses for Rondo last year, he also made comments that made it clear to me that he is ready to move on from Rondo World. But he has the most legitimate reasons for feeling that way. Apparently part of the reason he came back was to support Rondo's transition to leadership, and Rondo surely let him down big time with that awful matador defense.

Of all the big players, the one with the least to answer for is KG, I think.
Reply NeCsFan
12:27 PM on June 16, 2013 
KG certainly is the least culpable. He's got little to nothing to answer for in my opinion. Pierce as well seems pretty innocent pp. my eyes. My only issue with PP is that he clearly had an issue with stepping aside. As for Rondo he had some things to answer to I just don't think it's as much as some would like to make it out to be. He dropped the ball on the leadership front, but I think that was more out of frustration and lack of support from anyone who wasn't named Garnet or Ainge. I think KG would stay sans drama or contingency plan when another starter goes down. The more I look at this season, the more of a complete cluster f#ck the whole thing looks like. I'm just shaking my head. On a plus, I'm glad I finally stopped trolling the site and commented lol even though my comments are more like friggin novels
Reply paul
12:49 PM on June 16, 2013 
NeCsFan says...
KG certainly is the least culpable. He's got little to nothing to answer for in my opinion. Pierce as well seems pretty innocent pp. my eyes. My only issue with PP is that he clearly had an issue with stepping aside. As for Rondo he had some things to answer to I just don't think it's as much as some would like to make it out to be. He dropped the ball on the leadership front, but I think that was more out of frustration and lack of support from anyone who wasn't named Garnet or Ainge. I think KG would stay sans drama or contingency plan when another starter goes down. The more I look at this season, the more of a complete cluster f#ck the whole thing looks like. I'm just shaking my head. On a plus, I'm glad I finally stopped trolling the site and commented lol even though my comments are more like friggin novels


I have to disagree on Pierce. I think his attitude has wavered from wanting to support the transition to actively undermining it. At no time has he really been fully ready to embrace a transition that might have, in my view, prolonged his career by finding a symbiotic relationship with Rondo. About Rondo - I tend to agree there too. He made some big mistakes in terms of not stepping up, but I think the cluster**** going on around him, as you put it, was just too much. To me, Doc is the most culpable. He gets such a pass from much of the fandom, even though his biggest talent seems to be getting along well with certain HOFers, and he can be a very good motivator.
Reply NeCsFan
1:54 PM on June 16, 2013 
Paul my friend i think you and i have figured most of this mess out lol. Long story short...there were to many cooks in the kitchen, with nobody preparing a meal. And it's no wonder after all this why the rest of the team played like crap looking half confused most of the time. I really hope the Cs can figure this mess out. this team is single handedly the reason i started watching NBA basketball again
Reply paul
2:38 PM on June 16, 2013 
NeCsFan says...
Paul my friend i think you and i have figured most of this mess out lol. Long story short...there were to many cooks in the kitchen, with nobody preparing a meal. And it's no wonder after all this why the rest of the team played like crap looking half confused most of the time. I really hope the Cs can figure this mess out. this team is single handedly the reason i started watching NBA basketball again


KG would be proud of you, Ne! You found the perfect metaphor!! I feel the same about this team, and I still feel that they COULD figure this mess out, but they'd have to want to, and so far, I don't see any sign that the will is there. Everyone seems to be positioning for the aftermath, rather than genuinely trying to get together to figure out what went wrong and how to make it better. We really did have plenty of talent to work with. It really SHOULD have gone off better than it did. The Clippers trade saga shows where the blame game really gets you -a situation even worse now.
Reply rcraig617
2:38 AM on June 17, 2013 
We have a couple of loyal players mainly Rondo who a couple of years ago inked a contract that helped the team out greatly where he could've went and got an offer sheet for more money which we would've had to match. I must also say other guys like Jeff Green could've bailed last offseason and not face the music I don't see what's wrong with Doc I just wanna hear what he has to say lol.
Reply rcraig617
2:42 AM on June 17, 2013 
NeCsFan says...
KG certainly is the least culpable. He's got little to nothing to answer for in my opinion. Pierce as well seems pretty innocent pp. my eyes. My only issue with PP is that he clearly had an issue with stepping aside. As for Rondo he had some things to answer to I just don't think it's as much as some would like to make it out to be. He dropped the ball on the leadership front, but I think that was more out of frustration and lack of support from anyone who wasn't named Garnet or Ainge. I think KG would stay sans drama or contingency plan when another starter goes down. The more I look at this season, the more of a complete cluster f#ck the whole thing looks like. I'm just shaking my head. On a plus, I'm glad I finally stopped trolling the site and commented lol even though my comments are more like friggin novels

Paul has been loyal to the celtics so loyalty isn't dead and he's been dangled out just like rondo and I feel like him and kg have nothing to do with this.
Reply paul
8:50 AM on June 17, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
Paul has been loyal to the celtics so loyalty isn't dead and he's been dangled out just like rondo and I feel like him and kg have nothing to do with this.


Well I'd say that KG almost certainly is very much involved with this, wouldn't you? He has to give his ok to a deal. Could they really be as far into discussions as they seem to be without some goahead from KG? I'd say not. As for Pierce, he's been talking about leaving for two years now I believe. And if he has a part in the split that seems to have taken place in the team, which I think he does, then he's at least involved that way.
Reply paul
8:51 AM on June 17, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
We have a couple of loyal players mainly Rondo who a couple of years ago inked a contract that helped the team out greatly where he could've went and got an offer sheet for more money which we would've had to match. I must also say other guys like Jeff Green could've bailed last offseason and not face the music I don't see what's wrong with Doc I just wanna hear what he has to say lol.


I'm not terribly interested in what he has to say. Doc has the gift of gab for sure. Who knows, he might actually reveal something interesting, though I doubt it.