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Feelin' Grinchy About The New Improved Celtics

Posted by paul on February 2, 2013 at 7:45 AM

As I recall it, the bitching about Rondo from some of his teammates started early this year, and as I recall, Green and Lee were both in on it early.  I think some of it came to light publicly  during an early Rondo suspension or injury, when Lee and Green played better, and seemingly made a point of explaining that this was because they were handling the ball more and getting more opportunities to create.  On one level, how they played, and what they said pointed to Doc and Rondo's total failure to design a revamped offense in the off-season, something I'd REALLY like to see Doc and Rondo both admit to, but on another level, who the hell were they (Green and Lee) to suggest that they deserved the ball more than our best player?   Why weren't they moving without the ball and creating opportunities?   Rondo is the one player in the league most likely to find and get the ball to a player in a position to score.  They had a responsibility to create opportunities and to hit shots.  They were near total failures at that.


The way this team is playing now confirms how great we could have been, and while Rondo deserves a lot of the blame for things not working out, so do the folks who suddenly have found their games, as if they had hidden them under the couch cushions.  KG says it's all about Celtics Pride.  Ok.  That's a nice thought.  But where was that pride the rest of the year?  I guess it was under the couch cushions too.


The Cs are playing better now, and in a way, that's all that matters.  I'll wave pom poms made out of couch cushions, decorated with recent quotations from Brandon Bass and Jason Terry cut to shreds...


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In another post, I was talking about double standards.   With regards to that, isn't it interesting that if Jeff Green throws down a monster dunk, it's generally valued by the fans and media as pretty much equivalent to ten points and five rebounds, but if Rondo makes an amazing play - such as hitting a running sky hook over Tyson Chandler, arguably the top defensive center in the game today, or throwing an amazing pass - it's ignored, or actually held against him as evidence of his hero play, of his supposed style over substance approach to basketball,  all flash and glitter and not real basketball?   So let's see, Jeff Green isn't a journeyman who occasionally rings bells with  impressive power dunks;  instead he is a new Human Highlight Film who just needs a chance (never mind that he came into the league as a high pick and was immediately a key part of the Thunder, and now of the Celtics).  Rondo, on the other hand, isn't a brilliant player who makes more amazing plays per game than anyone we've seen in years;  nope, he's a Globetrotters reject who prefers doing handstands at  midcourt to playing 'real' basketball...


I like Jeff Green.  I don't blame him for The Trade.   I just don't like the double standards.



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Reply Morena
8:29 AM on February 2, 2013 
I'm really mad about all this.
I read Bass interview again yesterday and it's.. shameful.
He complained about not having the ball much this year, but as you said, he did absolutely nothing to create himself opportunities. Was Rondo's fault for his non-existent rebounding also??

What scares me the most right now, is that Rondo is in a difficult situation and he needs the support of his teammates, who instead, are stabbing him right in the back. If I was Rondo, I'd feel a little unwanted. And he doesn't need this right now. He has enough things to worry about.
Reply paul
10:43 AM on February 2, 2013 
Morena, I think Rondo has to keep his focus on the people who really care about him and have his back. Perkins, KG, Sully - I don't know who all. I'm sure he's doing that. But at the same time, I think he has to recognize how he opened the door for the backstabbers by playing lousy in important ways. If he wants to lead a great basketball team strongly enough, it will surely happen. But if he would rather run around for Red Bull? I mean, as much as I blame Pierce, Green, Terry, Bradley, Lee and Barbosa for stabbing Rondo in the back for half the season, I blame Rondo too for not working with Doc to design an offense that suited the newcomers, and I blame Rondo for being so passive on offense and weak on defense.

I'm just not going to get into rooting for this new team much. I like KG and Sully, but I have little regard for the rest of them, including Pierce. People can believe what they want, but I think one has to be willfully naive to watch PP and Terry literally throw the Knicks game away, twice, and then watch them and their little clique of like-minded pals literally turn on their games to overdrive as if they were turning switches when Rondo goes down, and not realize that there's some kind of nasty little game going on there.

In the end, the team is playing better, playing like they should have all along, and on some level, that's all that matters. They do play good scrappy team ball. No denying that. I'm not really feeling them, though. Rondo is a lot of what got me excited about the Celtics again, anyway. A bunch of guys who praised Rondo to the skies to the media, and then played crappy alongside him, and then suddenly turned on the jets when he (predictably) went down to injury, aren't igniting my fan fires much.
Reply Franklin
12:58 PM on February 2, 2013 
It will come back to haunt them. They should have listend to him months ago.
Reply paul
1:09 PM on February 2, 2013 
Franklin says...
It will come back to haunt them. They should have listend to him months ago.


He should have listened too, dammit.
Reply rcraig617
5:11 PM on February 2, 2013 
How did pierce stab rondo in the back? just because him and rondo never could mesh how they should've doesn't mean the stabbed rondo in the back and I wouldn't look too much into these celtics i mean they beat the kings and the magic and that win against miami came with them thinking rondo would be back so I don't think they magically are playing better since rondo is gone it's just the shots that weren't falling before are now and with lee nd bradley getting more minutes our perimeter defense it looking better. I don't really see anything else to where these guys said oh rondo's done for the year lets do something we weren't doing before.
Reply paul
5:33 PM on February 2, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
How did pierce stab rondo in the back? just because him and rondo never could mesh how they should've doesn't mean the stabbed rondo in the back and I wouldn't look too much into these celtics i mean they beat the kings and the magic and that win against miami came with them thinking rondo would be back so I don't think they magically are playing better since rondo is gone it's just the shots that weren't falling before are now and with lee nd bradley getting more minutes our perimeter defense it looking better. I don't really see anything else to where these guys said oh rondo's done for the year lets do something we weren't doing before.


Well, sure, maybe everything magically turned sunny for the Cs when Rondo went away. See, I think that is what you and almost all the rest of the commentators are saying. It pretty much comes down to a combination of Blame Rondo and Magic. Well what about blaming the ones who suddenly switched on their games?
Reply paul
5:35 PM on February 2, 2013 
I swear, do you seriously not believe there are ever any backstage bullcap stuff going on in the NBA?!!!
Reply Morena
3:26 AM on February 3, 2013 
You're right Paul.
I hope that Rondo will stick together with the guys who really support him like KG and Dooling.
And he will surely watch the games right now to understand what those guys wants.
Reply rcraig617
5:05 AM on February 3, 2013 
paul says...
Well, sure, maybe everything magically turned sunny for the Cs when Rondo went away. See, I think that is what you and almost all the rest of the commentators are saying. It pretty much comes down to a combination of Blame Rondo and Magic. Well what about blaming the ones who suddenly switched on their games?

I don't think everything turned sunny with this 3 game win streak I think you're looking too much into it 2 of the 3 wins were against orlando and sacramento. I'm not blaming rondo i'm saying the only difference I see from when rondo was there is the perimeter defense and guys are hitting shots. All the bench guys (terry, green, lee) were playing well during our 6 gm winning streak then during our 6 loss streak they weren't. In my opinion those guys were hitting shots when we were winning and during out 6 game losing they weren't along with pierce being in a slump. I think this team would be better with rondo so when I say the perimeter defense is better without him it's because it simply is and not because rondo's a bad defender half of our defensive possessions rondo doesn't even bend down it just comes down to him wanting to play defense or not wanting to play defense which lee and bradley are doing.
Reply rcraig617
5:08 AM on February 3, 2013 
Morena says...
You're right Paul.
I hope that Rondo will stick together with the guys who really support him like KG and Dooling.
And he will surely watch the games right now to understand what those guys wants.

How does pierce not support rondo? Did you see his face when he heard rondo had a torn acl. I agree with you though that Kg and dooling are his 2 biggest supporters.
Reply paul
6:42 AM on February 3, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
I don't think everything turned sunny with this 3 game win streak I think you're looking too much into it 2 of the 3 wins were against orlando and sacramento. I'm not blaming rondo i'm saying the only difference I see from when rondo was there is the perimeter defense and guys are hitting shots. All the bench guys (terry, green, lee) were playing well during our 6 gm winning streak then during our 6 loss streak they weren't. In my opinion those guys were hitting shots when we were winning and during out 6 game losing they weren't along with pierce being in a slump. I think this team would be better with rondo so when I say the perimeter defense is better without him it's because it simply is and not because rondo's a bad defender half of our defensive possessions rondo doesn't even bend down it just comes down to him wanting to play defense or not wanting to play defense which lee and bradley are doing.


Well, I've said about ten thousand times since the summer that Rondo's ability to lead this team rested on his playing better defense, so I agree with you on that part. I've been appalled at his bad defensive play, and I think most Rondo fans have also been.

But to say that they are just hitting shots better when Rondo is gone? I don't think so. Several of them have pretty much said themselves that they don't like playing with Rondo because they don't get the ball enough. Now of course the Rondo haters respond to that by saying "aha, see, all Rondo's fault". But it was obvious that the guys weren't putting out for Rondo. In the case of Green, everyone talked about it, but he was't the only case of this. Even on the fast break guys weren't even running the floor the way we expected them too. On defense too, guys weren't rotating with the passion that Rondo expected. It's easy enough to blast Rondo's defense without recognizing that his game was predicated on a team concept of defense that just was not happening. Not all of that was his fault.

It just comes down to this: you don't find your game overnight unless you weren't really trying before. Maybe one person you could believe that with, but a whole team? No. These guys undercut Rondo. And too, Rondo undercut himself, making it easy for them.

As far as i can tell, you just choose to believe the sunshine and puppy dogs version. Well, ok.
Reply paul
6:55 AM on February 3, 2013 
Morena says...
You're right Paul.
I hope that Rondo will stick together with the guys who really support him like KG and Dooling.
And he will surely watch the games right now to understand what those guys wants.


Morena, leadership is such a tricky thing, isn't it? I'm on the board of an organization, one which depends on my ideas and energy, so I'm constantly thinking about this. I don't like everyone on the board. Several of them I actually dislike. But I can't make the social dynamics of the organization revolve around that, nor can they. Good things can't happen unless we all pull together in some kind of a way, which means people have to buy in, so to speak, which means they all have to feel like they have a stake in it, like they are being heard, and so on. And yet, if it's not about more than that, if it doesn't have some real purpose and edge to it, we aren't doing anything at all. The whole mess is incredibly complicated. I can see that leadership is an amazing subtle art. Clearly Rondo is struggling to learn this art. I think part of what makes it harder for him is that he seems to be naturally a loner and maybe a bit of a misfit. Also, he's been riding on KG's credibility, and that can foster delusions for a person about how much pull they actually have by themselves. In my organization, I'm the one who really makes everything happen, but there is this other person that everyone respects. Take him away, and no one would even show up for meetings. I'd be sitting there by myself. Take me away, and the organization would die away. It's just all so complicated. If there is anyone who can enjoy working through the puzzle of leadership, it's Rondo, but it's gonna take some humility. Rondo just can't continue to be so stubborn about everything. A man who is so stubborn that he will not raise his defensive play even when openly begged to do it for months, virtually, is FAR TOO STUBBORN for his own good!!!!! Rondo had decided that the problem wasn't him, that the problem was the rotations, and he had some valid reasons for thinking that to be sure, and by God he wasn't going to change his mind. That's too stubborn, Rondo.
Reply paul
7:03 AM on February 3, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
How does pierce not support rondo? Did you see his face when he heard rondo had a torn acl. I agree with you though that Kg and dooling are his 2 biggest supporters.


I saw his face, and I think I've seen Pierce enough to know that he was putting it on a bit, nor do I believe that he had no clue before. Surely the team knew, despite what they said. THIS IS 2013 YOU KNOW!!!!! But even if they hadn't heard anything, they certainly knew that a guy doesn't get pulled off the court and sent to the hospital for MRIs for a floor burn. They knew that something major was up.

Funny how folks forget the incredibly terrible ball Pierce was playing recently, even pretty much handing the ball to the Knicks twice to destroy Rondo's heroics in the Knicks game. Do I read the guy's mind? Do I know what goes on inside his head? Obviously not. But I can surmise. Maybe unconsciously, but maybe consciously too, Pierce welcomes Rondo's failures at times. The greater the athlete, the bigger the ego they usually have. I think Pierce has always seen Rondo as a threat to his role on the team.
Reply Morena
7:39 AM on February 3, 2013 
paul says...
Morena, leadership is such a tricky thing, isn't it? I'm on the board of an organization, one which depends on my ideas and energy, so I'm constantly thinking about this. I don't like everyone on the board. Several of them I actually dislike. But I can't make the social dynamics of the organization revolve around that, nor can they. Good things can't happen unless we all pull together in some kind of a way, which means people have to buy in, so to speak, which means they all have to feel like they have a stake in it, like they are being heard, and so on. And yet, if it's not about more than that, if it doesn't have some real purpose and edge to it, we aren't doing anything at all. The whole mess is incredibly complicated. I can see that leadership is an amazing subtle art. Clearly Rondo is struggling to learn this art. I think part of what makes it harder for him is that he seems to be naturally a loner and maybe a bit of a misfit. Also, he's been riding on KG's credibility, and that can foster delusions for a person about how much pull they actually have by themselves. In my organization, I'm the one who really makes everything happen, but there is this other person that everyone respects. Take him away, and no one would even show up for meetings. I'd be sitting there by myself. Take me away, and the organization would die away. It's just all so complicated. If there is anyone who can enjoy working through the puzzle of leadership, it's Rondo, but it's gonna take some humility. Rondo just can't continue to be so stubborn about everything. A man who is so stubborn that he will not raise his defensive play even when openly begged to do it for months, virtually, is FAR TOO STUBBORN for his own good!!!!! Rondo had decided that the problem wasn't him, that the problem was the rotations, and he had some valid reasons for thinking that to be sure, and by God he wasn't going to change his mind. That's too stubborn, Rondo.

Thank you for sharing all this Paul, it's really interesting.
Rondo is sure struggling to learn the art of leadership, and I agree that this may have something to do with him being a loner!! Sometimes it looks like he wants to get the job done on the court, and then just disappear.
And sure, he has been incredibly stubborn, no doubt about that. This whole experience will help him to see things in a different way I believe.
Reply paul
9:01 AM on February 3, 2013 
Morena says...
Thank you for sharing all this Paul, it's really interesting.
Rondo is sure struggling to learn the art of leadership, and I agree that this may have something to do with him being a loner!! Sometimes it looks like he wants to get the job done on the court, and then just disappear.
And sure, he has been incredibly stubborn, no doubt about that. This whole experience will help him to see things in a different way I believe.


I too think it will, Morena. I was thinking that Dooling will surely be asking Rondo, what is it really all about? What are you about? Is it all about Red Bull, and celebrity status and shoe representation? Or is it about great basketball?
Reply Morena
10:51 AM on February 3, 2013 
paul says...
I too think it will, Morena. I was thinking that Dooling will surely be asking Rondo, what is it really all about? What are you about? Is it all about Red Bull, and celebrity status and shoe representation? Or is it about great basketball?

We wanted Dooling back to help Rondo.
Now we need him more than ever!!
Reply paul
11:51 PM on February 3, 2013 
Morena says...
We wanted Dooling back to help Rondo.
Now we need him more than ever!!


You are so right. I keep thinking that Rondo could come back stronger than ever.
Reply Morena
2:37 AM on February 4, 2013 
paul says...
You are so right. I keep thinking that Rondo could come back stronger than ever.

Me too!! That's the right sprit!!
Reply paul
10:16 PM on February 4, 2013 
Morena says...
Me too!! That's the right sprit!!


I hope so, Morena, but it's hard right now. I'm so angry at Rondo for totally screwing up a great opportunity with his stubbornness, and I'm so angry at his teammates for stabbing him in the back.