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Can't wait to see the next move by Ainge.

Posted by dennee on July 8, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Yes, I stole the title from Shawn. It is a good question. The Boston Herald reports that the options left to acquire other players are the bi-annual exception (1.95 million) and the veteran minimums (1/2 million - 1.4 mil. depending on years in league). That's probably accurate. I have the current commitments pegged at 66,423,676 million. The 74 million apron would leave roughly 7.5 mil to fill two slots. Not much to work with.

We need a center. Possibilities with little to spend:

Sean Williams - early reports are good with the summer games starting tomorrow.

Chris Wilcox - we paid him 3 mil last year before his surgery. I thought he looked good and should be brought back.

Greg Stiesma - Timberwolves are said to have offered 3 mil. We could match - should we?

Ryan Hollins - I would like to like him, but frankly I just was not impressed.

Marcus Camby - will probably get more money elsewhere.

Nenad Kristic - he is done in Moscow. We still have his rights. Bring him back or use for trade chip?

Rest of the free agents - noone any better than above in the price range.

We need a shooting guard. Possibilities with little to spend:

Dooling, Pietrus, Daniels, Pavlovic - we all know them and their stories.

Summer league - E'Twan Moore, Jamar Smith (Illinois), Dionte Christmas (Temple, also played for 76ers, Clippers, Kings), Jonathan Gibson (N. Mexico State). One of them might be a breakout surprise. Plus there are several undrafted names out there (Buford - Ohio State is just one that comes to mind).

Free agents (affordable)

Shannon Brown/ Suns - Jodie Meeks/ 76ers - Alonzo Gee/ Cavs - Danny Green/ Spurs - Willie Green/ Hawks - Gerald Green/ Nets - Courtney Lee/ Rockets ( can play 2, 3, or 4). All these guys are unrestricted. I listed their last team so you can find their stats if you like.

All have pros and cons. Personally, if the idea is to give Bradley rest and put up a lot of points in a short time, I am leaning towards bringing back Gerald Green.

Teams are only required to carry 13 players, but can have 15. We have 13 now (although 5 are rookies including the Purduo). So do you stand pat and wait to see how things shake out around the league and in the Summer League? If someone does not get an offer over the summer, they may suddenly play for a lot less right before pre-season meaning a better available talent. (Keep some powder dry?) But if you wait, the pickings might just get even slimmer.

What should Ainge's next move be?

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18 Comments

Reply Birdman
1:48 PM on July 8, 2012 
OJ Mayo in a trade. Deal some future picks,and JJJ,and Moore for Mayo.
Reply Franklin
1:51 PM on July 8, 2012 
I want to land a player they may be amnesty. Like Shawn said,maybe like Brand. I say,take Brand,and Sign MP back.
Reply dennee
2:17 PM on July 8, 2012 
As an update, I just saw where Ainge is still pursuing Mayo and Courtney Lee has visited and is getting the wine and dine.
Regarding Mayo, I read a while back that he does not want to play in Boston. Even so, the qualifying offer that Memphis did not give him was 7.2 million, so the bidding would probably start around there. JJJ, Moore, and picks may not create enough cap space to get it done.
Lee on the other hand, isn't Mayo, but he isn't bad. His qualifying offer that he didn't get was only 3.2 million, so that combination might well work for him as a sign and trade on Houston's part.
Reply Franklin
2:36 PM on July 8, 2012 
Courtney Lee is no Ray Allen, but he can still score. He's a better defensive player. But Mayo seems very hard to land,with cap space gone. How did the Lakers get Nash? How did they take on his salary?
Reply dennee
2:56 PM on July 8, 2012 
Franklin says...
Courtney Lee is no Ray Allen, but he can still score. He's a better defensive player. But Mayo seems very hard to land,with cap space gone. How did the Lakers get Nash? How did they take on his salary?

Good question and I don't have a good answer. If you look at their salaries, they are already at 90 million before Nash, so money must not be an object. The idea of the the new CBA was to make it so punitive, that even the big markets like LA, NY, and Chicago that could afford to spend big bucks, wouldn't want to. Doesn't look like it is working. This link will give a good idea how out of whack some of these teams are.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-player-salaries/team/Lakers/
Reply paul
2:59 PM on July 8, 2012 
Birdman says...
OJ Mayo in a trade. Deal some future picks,and JJJ,and Moore for Mayo.


I don't think we should send draft picks unless it's for someone like Smith.
Reply paul
3:02 PM on July 8, 2012 
Franklin says...
I want to land a player they may be amnesty. Like Shawn said,maybe like Brand. I say,take Brand,and Sign MP back.


Someone else will grab Brand. I'd be happy with Wilcox, Pietrus and Dooling. I think these guys meant an awful lot to us, for different reasons, last season.
Reply dennee
3:14 PM on July 8, 2012 
paul says...
Someone else will grab Brand. I'd be happy with Wilcox, Pietrus and Dooling. I think these guys meant an awful lot to us, for different reasons, last season.

I can't say that I disagree, but to bring back all 3 would put the roster at 16. Probably one of the rookies would have to go.
Reply paul
3:20 PM on July 8, 2012 
dennee says...
I can't say that I disagree, but to bring back all 3 would put the roster at 16. Probably one of the rookies would have to go.


I don't think it makes sense to keep all five rookies (and near rookies). I know we wouldn't have drafted them if they didn't have potential, and I'm not saying we should banish them forever, but I think we need to have some of those journeyman guys who may not ever be stars, but who have been around the league, and really appreciate an opportunity to contribute something.

I think all three of those guys bring something special.
Reply dennee
3:44 PM on July 8, 2012 
paul says...
I don't think it makes sense to keep all five rookies (and near rookies). I know we wouldn't have drafted them if they didn't have potential, and I'm not saying we should banish them forever, but I think we need to have some of those journeyman guys who may not ever be stars, but who have been around the league, and really appreciate an opportunity to contribute something.

I think all three of those guys bring something special.

I don't like the idea of 5 rookies either (I am including JJJ and Moore because they didn't get enough playing time to be thought of otherwise). It came about of course because originally neither Allen or Garnett was expected back.
On the one hand, there is a good argument for the experience of Wilcox, Dooling, and Pietrus. On the other, think of this. Jeff Green as a draftee and another pick, which turned out to be Carl Landry, were traded for Allen. We need a center and Al Jefferson is looking good in Utah and was part of the trade as a rookie for Garnett.
None of this is to say that any of the rookies will ever work out. They could well all be busts. I just think sometimes the Celts do not spend enough time trying to develop any of them. I would have probably made the same deal, but if we had kept Jeff Green and he turned out the same way, we would be paying him about 4 million instead of twice that trying to bring him back through free agency.
No one can see the future. At the same time, a guy can't prove what he can do if he spends all his time on the bench or is shipped out right away.
Reply paul
4:02 PM on July 8, 2012 
dennee says...
I don't like the idea of 5 rookies either (I am including JJJ and Moore because they didn't get enough playing time to be thought of otherwise). It came about of course because originally neither Allen or Garnett was expected back.
On the one hand, there is a good argument for the experience of Wilcox, Dooling, and Pietrus. On the other, think of this. Jeff Green as a draftee and another pick, which turned out to be Carl Landry, were traded for Allen. We need a center and Al Jefferson is looking good in Utah and was part of the trade as a rookie for Garnett.
None of this is to say that any of the rookies will ever work out. They could well all be busts. I just think sometimes the Celts do not spend enough time trying to develop any of them. I would have probably made the same deal, but if we had kept Jeff Green and he turned out the same way, we would be paying him about 4 million instead of twice that trying to bring him back through free agency.
No one can see the future. At the same time, a guy can't prove what he can do if he spends all his time on the bench or is shipped out right away.


Oh Dennee, please don't think I"m down on rookies, or on these rookies. Not at all. I have high hopes for all of them. But I also think that rookies are like shiny new toys. A week after Christmas, how many of them make it into your box of favorite toys? I think we were really lucky to find some really great journeyman players last year. I think they played big roles on our success, and I think we shouldn't push them aside. We could use all three of them now. And I think there are ways to keep players as part of the family without them actually being on the team. In the end, the key is balance.
Reply dennee
4:33 PM on July 8, 2012 
paul says...
Oh Dennee, please don't think I"m down on rookies, or on these rookies. Not at all. I have high hopes for all of them. But I also think that rookies are like shiny new toys. A week after Christmas, how many of them make it into your box of favorite toys? I think we were really lucky to find some really great journeyman players last year. I think they played big roles on our success, and I think we shouldn't push them aside. We could use all three of them now. And I think there are ways to keep players as part of the family without them actually being on the team. In the end, the key is balance.

I didn't think you were down on them at all. I think Doc and Danny are down on them. Of course they are under a lot of pressure to "win now." I was just suggesting how nice 20-20 hindsight is.
You said the key word, balance. The problem is finding it, especially with unproven rookies. It is all intuition, guesswork, and luck.
Reply paul
5:50 PM on July 8, 2012 
dennee says...
I didn't think you were down on them at all. I think Doc and Danny are down on them. Of course they are under a lot of pressure to "win now." I was just suggesting how nice 20-20 hindsight is.
You said the key word, balance. The problem is finding it, especially with unproven rookies. It is all intuition, guesswork, and luck.


And it's just disturbing that there seems to be so little confidence right now in Etuan. Should we really chase a two guard right now? Or should we give Etuan a shot?
Reply dennee
6:10 PM on July 8, 2012 
paul says...
And it's just disturbing that there seems to be so little confidence right now in Etuan. Should we really chase a two guard right now? Or should we give Etuan a shot?

I don't think Moore got enough time on the floor to know whether to have confidence or not. Hopefully the summer league will help, but they are not playing against the top talent there either. So, yeah, I think you have to go with the percentages and have another proven player. Plus I have to trust Doc. I remember when he was playing against Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Magic Johnson, Jordan, Stockton, Mullins, and a bunch of others. He may not be the best judge of every position, but he sure knows guards. There must be something he sees or doesn't see that he is still uncomfortable with.
Reply paul
6:32 PM on July 8, 2012 
dennee says...
I don't think Moore got enough time on the floor to know whether to have confidence or not. Hopefully the summer league will help, but they are not playing against the top talent there either. So, yeah, I think you have to go with the percentages and have another proven player. Plus I have to trust Doc. I remember when he was playing against Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Magic Johnson, Jordan, Stockton, Mullins, and a bunch of others. He may not be the best judge of every position, but he sure knows guards. There must be something he sees or doesn't see that he is still uncomfortable with.


See, there's that damned catch 22. We don't play the guys, so they never get to be any good, so we bitch that they are no good. if we hadn't had those injuries last year, Doc never would have played Steimsma, Wilcox, Bradley. I'm sick of it. So now we overpay for iffy veterans, so we will have nothing to trade with when we go for the guys we really want.

And no, I don't think you do have to trust Doc. If moore isn't good enough, send him to D league. If he is good enough, play him. Please do not make blanket statements like 'we have to trust Doc'. No we do NOT. Doc is not God. He makes plenty of mistakes.

I'm not saying I wouldn't go for Lee and Camby. I really don't know for sure, but I'd be wary of giving up possible trade assets we may need later, especially when we HAVE some people we can use in those positions. I don't know the answer. I could see going after them. I could see holding off. We'll have to see what Ainge does.
Reply dennee
7:20 PM on July 8, 2012 
paul says...
See, there's that damned catch 22. We don't play the guys, so they never get to be any good, so we bitch that they are no good. if we hadn't had those injuries last year, Doc never would have played Steimsma, Wilcox, Bradley. I'm sick of it. So now we overpay for iffy veterans, so we will have nothing to trade with when we go for the guys we really want.

And no, I don't think you do have to trust Doc. If moore isn't good enough, send him to D league. If he is good enough, play him. Please do not make blanket statements like 'we have to trust Doc'. No we do NOT. Doc is not God. He makes plenty of mistakes.

I'm not saying I wouldn't go for Lee and Camby. I really don't know for sure, but I'd be wary of giving up possible trade assets we may need later, especially when we HAVE some people we can use in those positions. I don't know the answer. I could see going after them. I could see holding off. We'll have to see what Ainge does.

I agree Paul. You are absolutely right about the catch 22. I don't like that they don't play them either. As for the blanket statement, I did say I and not we, but the point is I have to trust him because I am not there at the practices or in the locker room to see what he sees. An example would be with JJJ in the game where Doc put him in at a timeout and burnt another timeout after a single play. On TV I could see that nothing was happening and the Celts didn't score. But I did not know until later that the problem was that Johnson did not know the playbook and failed to run a specific play Doc had called. Yes it was Johnson and not Moore. Was it a simple rookie mistake? Maybe. Did Doc overreact? Maybe. Does Doc know it all? Certainly not. Even if I am at the scorer's table, there would still be things I could not possibly know. So for better or worse, I have to trust Doc at least some.
As for Camby and Lee, I don't know if they would be the answer. One or both could be big mistakes. I just love the Celts and want to see them not just win, but dominate. And I value your views about how to get there.
Reply paul
8:38 PM on July 8, 2012 
dennee says...
I agree Paul. You are absolutely right about the catch 22. I don't like that they don't play them either. As for the blanket statement, I did say I and not we, but the point is I have to trust him because I am not there at the practices or in the locker room to see what he sees. An example would be with JJJ in the game where Doc put him in at a timeout and burnt another timeout after a single play. On TV I could see that nothing was happening and the Celts didn't score. But I did not know until later that the problem was that Johnson did not know the playbook and failed to run a specific play Doc had called. Yes it was Johnson and not Moore. Was it a simple rookie mistake? Maybe. Did Doc overreact? Maybe. Does Doc know it all? Certainly not. Even if I am at the scorer's table, there would still be things I could not possibly know. So for better or worse, I have to trust Doc at least some.
As for Camby and Lee, I don't know if they would be the answer. One or both could be big mistakes. I just love the Celts and want to see them not just win, but dominate. And I value your views about how to get there.


I thought that Doc had learned some lessons last year, but now this year the same distrust of rookies seems to be rearing its ugly head. Bradley being out for possibly much of next season really does put us in a tough spot. Frankly, I think the best solution is Rondo breaking the barrier as a shooter this summer. I just mean that that would really be the best place for improved shooting to come from. I'd love to see an experienced and talented shooting guard who loves to run next to Rondo to start the season, but then what happens to Bradley? What we really need more than a shooting guard is a better option at the four or the five, it seems to me, which is one reason I keep mentioning Josh Smith. I think the Shaq experiment made it all too clear that what Rondo needs above all is a Big Man who can operate near the basket and really finish. If he can run the floor too, and play killer defense and rebound to start the break - now we are really talking!

Folks are saying trade Bass for Lee. Then who do we play at pf? There's just no way to get something for nothing, so I feel that rather than panic over Allen not being there, and Bradley looking like we have no idea when he will be back and how effective he will be when he returns, I tend to think we should work with what we have, and keep looking for either the Big Move, or just focus on little moves.

Man, it really hurts though that we may not have Bradley back for a while. But I'd rather rotate Pietrus, Moore and Terry through the SG position while we wait for Bradley than spend too many assets on a SG, unless we really think that that is someone who is going to be dynamite next to Rondo for the forseeable future.
Reply paul
9:02 PM on July 8, 2012 
About the Celtics dominating; I really think that under the leadership of Rondo, the Celtics will turn out to have more killer instinct than they had under the Big Three.