" />
EST. 2011

Celtics Title Town

"IN RONDO WE TRUST"

Celtics Blog Post New Entry

Hollins over Greg

Posted by shawn cassidy on May 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM



I want to sound off on this short and sweet. Some blogs have complained, and some have not(I think). About why has Doc played Hollins over Greg? It's real simple. Hollins has out played Greg. I think it's obvious. He grabbed a big offensive rebound last night, and it saved the game, and set up KG's game winner. Hollins may not play better than Greg, but his hustle, and impact in the post season has been leap years better than Greg. I think we forget sometimes because he's 26 years old. But Steamroller is a rookie, and maybe the playoffs are too much for him to handle right now, and maybe his feet are bothering him more than we know. Hollins has only played in one post season before coming to Boston from the waiver wire in March.But Hollins has followed KG's leadership, and maybe that has played a part in this.


I think a lot of people are madly in love with the great white hope. I think they have blinders on. Greg has made no impact so far in the postseason. But I did see more from Greg last night. He  had a sound block last night reminding me of what he can do. But their is no question in my mind that Ryan has out worked Greg. Greg is better I believe, but Hollins is giving the Celtics what they need.



Categories: None

Post a Comment

Oops!

Oops, you forgot something.

Oops!

The words you entered did not match the given text. Please try again.

Already a member? Sign In

11 Comments

Reply paul
12:02 PM on May 11, 2012 
I don't think this has anything to do with the great white hope, Shawn. I think you see the influence of that more when the fandom picks a pet on the bench. Usually it's some fairly ineffectual white guy, isn't it? And I don't think Hollins' play has been that much better than Stiemsma. I think Stiemsma has made a lot of good plays and some bad ones. As I see it, the main difference is that Hollins is an athleticism and hustle player, while Steimsma is a timing player. Also, as you point out, Hollins has some post-season experience. The main thing is that Hollins seems willing to put out a lot of energy, and we've been desperately needing that, as the core guys have been playing like very tired people.
Reply Laker hater
12:30 PM on May 11, 2012 
paul says...
I don't think this has anything to do with the great white hope, Shawn. I think you see the influence of that more when the fandom picks a pet on the bench. Usually it's some fairly ineffectual white guy, isn't it? And I don't think Hollins' play has been that much better than Stiemsma. I think Stiemsma has made a lot of good plays and some bad ones. As I see it, the main difference is that Hollins is an athleticism and hustle player, while Steimsma is a timing player. Also, as you point out, Hollins has some post-season experience. The main thing is that Hollins seems willing to put out a lot of energy, and we've been desperately needing that, as the core guys have been playing like very tired people.



I see it as the great white hope from some. It's because they're digging for reasons to say Greg is better than Hollins. Greg had great times in the regular season, and let's not take that and say he's a great talent. I love the guy, but people are obsessed with Greg for all the wrong reasons.
Reply shawn cassidy
12:39 PM on May 11, 2012 
Paul, I feel like a lot of fans love Greg for the wrong reasons at times. From what I read. I think most fans don't feel that way, but a lot of them have the bromance love for Greg. That seems to leave them with blinders on. I believe Hollins playoff experience has played apart. Even if it was only a one time thing for him. Hollins has just been out working Greg. Doc has put Greg in each game before Greg. And he pulls him because he looks lost out there. Greg has shown some flashes of what he can, and I hope Doc is able to use him.
Reply paul
12:50 PM on May 11, 2012 
Laker hater says...
I see it as the great white hope from some. It's because they're digging for reasons to say Greg is better than Hollins. Greg had great times in the regular season, and let's not take that and say he's a great talent. I love the guy, but people are obsessed with Greg for all the wrong reasons.


You may be right, but I don't see it. In fact, I think it's ridiculous to even compare Hollins to Stiemsma. Hollins is a johnny come lately. He's nowhere near the player Stiemsma is. Stiemsma is ALREADY ESTABLISHED as a legitimate NBA shotblocker, a guy who may be capable of being the best in the league. He also is developing a nice passing feel, has a good shot, is becoming a better rebounder and screener, etc.. If Stiemsma keeps working on his game, HE IS A LEGITIMATE NBA CENTER.

Hollins, at this point, is an 'energy guy'. And we've been needing a lot of that. He's fantastic, and he too may have a lot of potential. But really, I think the very comparison is off base. It's a storm stirred up by blogs for no good reason.
Reply paul
12:55 PM on May 11, 2012 
shawn cassidy says...
Paul, I feel like a lot of fans love Greg for the wrong reasons at times. From what I read. I think most fans don't feel that way, but a lot of them have the bromance love for Greg. That seems to leave them with blinders on. I believe Hollins playoff experience has played apart. Even if it was only a one time thing for him. Hollins has just been out working Greg. Doc has put Greg in each game before Greg. And he pulls him because he looks lost out there. Greg has shown some flashes of what he can, and I hope Doc is able to use him.


I think the difference is that Greg is a good fit in the first half of a game, lately, and Hollins has been a good fit as a closer. I think it has to do with the energy Hollins brings. It's a timing guy vs. an energy guy.

I hope you are wrong about the reasons for Greg getting so much love. And I think you are wrong. Steimsma is a fantastic story. He is a guy who was basically average in college at his position. He played in international leagues and the D league. He came here as an absolutely raw and marginal talent, but he had three things going for him. He had excellent timing as a shot blocker. More than excellent. He had BRILLIANT timing. He had an unusual level of determination. And he was a learner. Over this past year he has taken his basic talent, shotblocking, and added to that other basic talents, presumably with a lot of help from KG. He's gone from nowhere to being a legitimate NBA prospect at center.


I don't think he's the Great White Hope, Shawn. I think that's unfair to him, and really, unfair to his fans. At least I hope so.
Reply shawn cassidy
1:51 PM on May 11, 2012 
paul says...
I think the difference is that Greg is a good fit in the first half of a game, lately, and Hollins has been a good fit as a closer. I think it has to do with the energy Hollins brings. It's a timing guy vs. an energy guy.

I hope you are wrong about the reasons for Greg getting so much love. And I think you are wrong. Steimsma is a fantastic story. He is a guy who was basically average in college at his position. He played in international leagues and the D league. He came here as an absolutely raw and marginal talent, but he had three things going for him. He had excellent timing as a shot blocker. More than excellent. He had BRILLIANT timing. He had an unusual level of determination. And he was a learner. Over this past year he has taken his basic talent, shotblocking, and added to that other basic talents, presumably with a lot of help from KG. He's gone from nowhere to being a legitimate NBA prospect at center.


I don't think he's the Great White Hope, Shawn. I think that's unfair to him, and really, unfair to his fans. At least I hope so.



I love Greg, and I have never said anything about him before being the great white hope(until today). I have praised Greg all season, but just reading some of the columns,and comments in the past couple of days. It just seems unfair to Hollins in my view. If I out work somebody I want to see the minutes. Greg will be a good NBA center for the next 5-7 years I think fans put too much pressure on him. As it is now. I don't mean that to Greg as a jab at him. But we would be mistaken that some fans out there follow Greg just because he is white. The percent of fans is low I'm sure. Because I believe we live in a time where that shouldn't matter. I made that statement because I think a lot of people argue that Greg should play over Hollins, but the prof is there. Ryan has out worked Greg.

I also hope I'm wrong, and I think 20-30% of fans feel like he is the great white hope. The vibe is out there because Greg has lost his spot, and fans are mad. And I think he's just being out worked, and I think it's his foot.
Reply paul
2:32 PM on May 11, 2012 
shawn cassidy says...
I love Greg, and I have never said anything about him before being the great white hope(until today). I have praised Greg all season, but just reading some of the columns,and comments in the past couple of days. It just seems unfair to Hollins in my view. If I out work somebody I want to see the minutes. Greg will be a good NBA center for the next 5-7 years I think fans put too much pressure on him. As it is now. I don't mean that to Greg as a jab at him. But we would be mistaken that some fans out there follow Greg just because he is white. The percent of fans is low I'm sure. Because I believe we live in a time where that shouldn't matter. I made that statement because I think a lot of people argue that Greg should play over Hollins, but the prof is there. Ryan has out worked Greg.

I also hope I'm wrong, and I think 20-30% of fans feel like he is the great white hope. The vibe is out there because Greg has lost his spot, and fans are mad. And I think he's just being out worked, and I think it's his foot.


We'll see how Doc continues to play them. I think Hollins will play more against Philly because they are fast and athletic, but some of this depends on Bradley and Rondo too, I think. If the guards control the Philly guards well, it might be nice having a shotblocker there to guide penetrators to, in hopes of a turnover. In general I think an energy guy counts for more towards the end of games, when everyone is tired.

I also think that this Great White Hope idea can be overplayed. After all, no one is totally color blind, nor should they be. Do white people like seeing a white person succeed in the NBA? Of course we do. It makes us feel like we could do it too, encourages us to work on our games. Some of that is only natural. It happens whatever human grouping one happens to affiliate with, for whatever reasons. There are so many dimensions to it.

But I think Steimsma is legit, and I think it's reasonable that folks should wonder why Hollins has been seeing more play time, considering how well established as the Big off the Bench Stiemsma had become. Then again, folks forget how much Doc liked Wilcox. He likes some athleticism and energy combined with size, beyond what Stiemsma can give. Also, and maybe more importantly, Hollins can score at the rim better than Stiemsma can. We need that right now, because we are finding it hard to get to the rim.
Reply Franklin
2:33 PM on May 11, 2012 
I see both sides Paul, and Shawn. I see what your saying Paul,and I edge to u, but Shawn has never posted about this before as well about calling him great white hope,and I think he's valid in what he's saying about other fans. From what I gather from Shawn is that fans are acting this way,and their not giving Hollins his due.
Reply jlil89
2:33 PM on May 11, 2012 
Hollins has just made more plays. Plain and simple. I love Greg but he has had some bad miscues thus far in the post season. He will have a good game or two. Just needs a dose of confidence.
Reply paul
2:39 PM on May 11, 2012 
Franklin says...
I see both sides Paul, and Shawn. I see what your saying Paul,and I edge to u, but Shawn has never posted about this before as well about calling him great white hope,and I think he's valid in what he's saying about other fans. From what I gather from Shawn is that fans are acting this way,and their not giving Hollins his due.


That's a shame if fans aren't giving Hollins his due. We've been so lucky this year -- and not just lucky - Ainge has been making good decisions, and the veterans, led by Garnett have been playing a big role -- at the way last-stop guys have been coming in here with a blast of enthusiasm and determination to contribute. Hollins has made a place for himself in a short time. He's like a whirling dervish out there sometimes.
Reply paul
2:39 PM on May 11, 2012 
jlil89 says...
Hollins has just made more plays. Plain and simple. I love Greg but he has had some bad miscues thus far in the post season. He will have a good game or two. Just needs a dose of confidence.


I think both guys will have some big games before this season is done.