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Celtics Morning Joe: Wyc wants Pierce to retire a Celtic

Posted by shawn cassidy on May 24, 2013 at 5:00 AM



The Celtics are on the edge of something this coming season. A new era awaits either way for the green team. Pierce needs to find a way to this season to blend with Rondo. It's his final chance. I hope he doesn't blow it. I believe Paul stays, and I don't think that because of Wyc's comment.


"I want to retire Paul’s number, but I don’t want to do it any time soon because I want him to keep playing for us, to be honest. I want KG back. I want Doc back. I’d love to have Rondo back. I just want to get them more help, that’s my going-in assumption."


I think Paul stays because it's the best basketball move. I think Danny puts that first over loyalty. I could be wrong about that though. I don't know Danny. It's the best basketball move because the Celtics won't be able to use 15 million to sign anyone if they amnesty Pierce. The only way they get any value out of Pierce is by a trade, and a trade for Pierce likely won't be great value. Eric Gordon so far has been the best option? I don't know who would give up a young stud for a player who's playing in his last seasons or so. Would the Hawks trade Smith for Pierce,or would the Jazz trade Big Al for Pierce in a sign and trade type deal. Just hold onto Pierce on his final year. I think this makes the 10th post about Pierce being trades,or retained.


Pierce is the domino that will set the Celtics season in motion. On the flip side Doc was apart of the Nets coaching desires.


ESPN BOSTON


Reached late Thursday, Ainge refused to comment on the Nets' interest in Rivers and reiterated that he expects him back on the Celtics bench next season.

"Doc has told me he's coming back," Ainge said bluntly. "I talk to him almost every day about our team and what we are going to do moving forward."






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10 Comments

Reply paul
6:49 AM on May 24, 2013 
I feel very hopeless about Pierce. He's an old dog who won't change his ways, and Rondo is a stubborn young pup who hasn't yet figured out when to be stubborn and when not to be stubborn, and another year of those two wrestling over the leadership role just doesn't inspire me.
Reply gspr
9:20 AM on May 24, 2013 
I don't think there is as much friction between Paul and Rajon as you think there is. Wyc said that Paul, Kevin and Rajon all went on a vacation together this past week. Personally, I would love to have Pierce back.
Reply rcraig617
11:56 AM on May 24, 2013 
I think we should keep pierce if rondo can learn to spot up and hit shots i think there will be no problem between them this season after rondo went out pierce showed he's willing to pass guys just have to hit shots and i'm not just saying rondo also pierce and green will be a nice combo along with rondo when we play miami. Lebron won't be able to guard rondo as much because he'll have to worry about pierce and green when lebron is covering rondo we will be able to go to pierce or green because battier can only cover 1 of them.
Reply shawn cassidy
4:37 PM on May 24, 2013 
On the court the friction may be there at times,because the Celtics lose. Off the court the best thing for both players is to get along. Pierce and Rondo need to be a duo. It will extend Paul's playing days if he can take a step back. Pierce is better when playing off Rondo when Paul spots up for threes or jumpers
Reply rcraig617
5:03 PM on May 24, 2013 
shawn cassidy says...
On the court the friction may be there at times,because the Celtics lose. Off the court the best thing for both players is to get along. Pierce and Rondo need to be a duo. It will extend Paul's playing days if he can take a step back. Pierce is better when playing off Rondo when Paul spots up for threes or jumpers

Rondo can't always have the ball though paul typically gets mismatches and when he does I think he should be allowed to iso at the top of the key he drives and kicks well but when rondo gets the ball and doesn't shoot that messes the whole offense up. Even sometimes when kg would post up in years past the defense would help off rondo and he'd receive the ball and then reset the offense instead of spotting up and shooting. Jeff green is going to have the ball more next year and guards will be sitting in his lap also he's going to need to kick it to rondo and rondo will need to hit. I'm not saying rondo needs to become a ray allen type of shooter but he needs to make the defense respect him because if that's the case then jeff green or paul pierce will almost always have an advantage on the wings because teams typically don't have 2 great wing defenders usually they have 1.
Reply shawn cassidy
5:21 PM on May 24, 2013 
Great points rcraig. I believe u got something. I think we have three players that can score the ball in isolation. Rondo,Pierce and Green. All three need to understand that they shouldn't force it. Pierce needs to know when Green has a mismatch or Rondo. Pierce drives me nuts when he forces. If he can play isolation ball in moderation. I'm good with that.Pierce can force it down the stretch. He's clutch,but he's very selfish sometimes during the end of games. Good points rcraig.
Reply paul
10:40 PM on May 24, 2013 
Guys, I'm not saying that Paul and Rondo hate each other. And damn, I'm really encouraged if those three went on vacation together. That suggests that they are making a real down payment on doing some serious communicating this summer. If Pierce and Rondo can really leverage their talents TOGETHER, I think we should absolutely keep Pierce. If it can be done, keeping Pierce is so important. He is one of the great Celtics legends now.

Rcraig, I think you are right that if Rondo can learn to spot up more effectively, it will be much much easier for he and Pierce to play off each other better. The thing is, having so many options (Rondo, Pierce, Green) only works if they FEEL each other, and also, if they follow Rondo's leadership. Will they? We still aren't seeing that consistently.

But I think it's dead wrong to suggest that Rondo shouldn't dominate the ball. He absolutely should. He is our best player, and he is a basketball genius. He absolutely should dominate the ball. That said, he should be more flexible about giving it up, getting it back, keeping the ball moving, not pounding it to death on every possession like a football qb waiting in the pocket.

Shawn, Rondo already has extended KG's and Pierce's careers, I think, and Allen's too. He can do it more. Look how he revived Shaq, for goodness sake! If Rondo, Pierce, Green and KG all learn to share the ball and run different sets fluidly, probing the opposing defenses in endlessly varied ways, we could and should become an offensive powerhouse. For years we have not been making the most of the talent we have.

Rondo, KG and Pierce should be co-captains.
Reply rcraig617
12:01 AM on May 25, 2013 
paul says...
Guys, I'm not saying that Paul and Rondo hate each other. And damn, I'm really encouraged if those three went on vacation together. That suggests that they are making a real down payment on doing some serious communicating this summer. If Pierce and Rondo can really leverage their talents TOGETHER, I think we should absolutely keep Pierce. If it can be done, keeping Pierce is so important. He is one of the great Celtics legends now.

Rcraig, I think you are right that if Rondo can learn to spot up more effectively, it will be much much easier for he and Pierce to play off each other better. The thing is, having so many options (Rondo, Pierce, Green) only works if they FEEL each other, and also, if they follow Rondo's leadership. Will they? We still aren't seeing that consistently.

But I think it's dead wrong to suggest that Rondo shouldn't dominate the ball. He absolutely should. He is our best player, and he is a basketball genius. He absolutely should dominate the ball. That said, he should be more flexible about giving it up, getting it back, keeping the ball moving, not pounding it to death on every possession like a football qb waiting in the pocket.

Shawn, Rondo already has extended KG's and Pierce's careers, I think, and Allen's too. He can do it more. Look how he revived Shaq, for goodness sake! If Rondo, Pierce, Green and KG all learn to share the ball and run different sets fluidly, probing the opposing defenses in endlessly varied ways, we could and should become an offensive powerhouse. For years we have not been making the most of the talent we have.

Rondo, KG and Pierce should be co-captains.

I believe for the mostpart rondo should dominate the ball but when we play teams like miami who put lebron on rondo you gotta take advantage of matchups. if we had green last year vs miami and he played somewhat close to what he did this year we would've had a better shot at beating miami cause when it came down to it in 4th qtrs rondo had lbj on him pierce had battier and our offense was discombobulated where i feel if we have green it's just another option. Also I think they will need a full season of all being healthy to develop that chemistry. I just feel the more weapons the better and we aren't gonna get anything better for paul pierce so we might as well keep him if we could get a better player then I MIGHT be for trading pierce but I want to see him retire a celtic.
Reply paul
6:32 AM on May 25, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
I believe for the mostpart rondo should dominate the ball but when we play teams like miami who put lebron on rondo you gotta take advantage of matchups. if we had green last year vs miami and he played somewhat close to what he did this year we would've had a better shot at beating miami cause when it came down to it in 4th qtrs rondo had lbj on him pierce had battier and our offense was discombobulated where i feel if we have green it's just another option. Also I think they will need a full season of all being healthy to develop that chemistry. I just feel the more weapons the better and we aren't gonna get anything better for paul pierce so we might as well keep him if we could get a better player then I MIGHT be for trading pierce but I want to see him retire a celtic.


I don't think we disagree. Green gives us more potential matchup possibilities. When Lebron is on Rondo, the Cs should take advantage, but at times, they act like they've never thought anything through. For example, this year the Heat also frequently double teamed Rondo on the perimeter. It was crazy, but it worked. How could the Cs fail to take advantage of that? But they didn't. They still don't seem to get it that Rondo is the guy that other teams react to, to the point where they'll do crazy things to try to stop him. A lot of the Cs game should be built around using Rondo to break down the defense, so that means yes, Rondo's got to give up the ball, strategically. A lot of our offense should be built around Rondo drawing the defensive pressure and others looking to take advantage of that. Whether the Heat double Rondo, or put Lebron on him, they are putting a ridiculous amount of defensive pressure on a point guard. It's our fault if we don't take advantage. How about a quick pass from Rondo to Paul, who finds Green streaking to the rim?

We need an offense that has more flexibility, more movement, and more room for creativity. Last year we still seemed to be waiting for Ray Allen. I don't know exactly how that offense should be designed. I think the guys with Doc should work that out this summer. Spend time together. Talk basketball. Watch film. Try things out on a court. We saw how KG and Rondo came up with a two man offense in 2012, and how it almost got us to the finals ( along with Bradley and other stuff). As far as I could see, that was basically two guys realizing that there was a lot of stuff they could run off each other. Another thing we had that season was the upside-down offense, where Rondo would attack the basket, and if he didn't take a shot, he'd pass out to a spotted 3-shooter, or hook under the basket and pass out - that often worked even better. Some writer said that it was like turning the offense upside down, with the pg passing from under the basket rather than from on top of the circle.

I think Rondo was right last year that we had a lot of talent. This year, let's get creative and lets have a plan. Let's be a team that other teams don't know how to play. Let's force them to throw away the book they have on the Cs.
Reply rcraig617
12:07 AM on May 26, 2013 
I fully agree with what you say about how the guys should get with doc, review film and add some wrinkles to our offense. On the trapping rondo part if you watch miami they trap almost every point guard at the top the problem is they recover so fast they can get away with it it's kinda like how kg does a hard hedge on most pick and then gets back on his man. The guys on the wings usually dwade and lebron can step in to help and recover if the ball is passed to their man because of their quickness it's easier said than done to beat their defense. Then they front the post so it's hard to get the ball into the post.