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Celtics Morning Joe: Fans don't trust front office when it comes to injuries

Posted by shawn cassidy on February 17, 2013 at 5:00 AM



Trust is earned. It's a gift you give to others. But once violated. It’s difficult to regain. When do you trust? That's something for you to decide. Who do you trust? Again that's up to you. You trust with your mind. You trust with your heart. You trust with honor.You trust with pride.You trust with expectations.



I’ve tried to trust Danny Ainge. I like Ainge, and my feelings on him have been up, and down like so many of you feel. But some of the moves have  ended up with betrayal in my mind. And  I fell like  I cannot allow it to occur again. I opened my mind. Opened my heart time, and again. I trust Ainge when it comes to certain things. One thing that I do not trust Ainge with is an injury. Boston Herald's Steve Bulpett wrote this about fans thoughts about Celtic injuries.



Boston Herald.com

The followers’ questions center on the Celts not knowing the extent of the Kevin Garnett injury back in 2009, believing Shaquille O’Neal was healthy enough to allow them to trade Kendrick Perkins in 2011 and drafting Jared Sullinger, who was headed for certain back surgery — though the success of that procedure has seemed to calm the masses. (The Rajon Rondo and Leandro Barbosa ACL tears were specific traumas, and so involved no real decision process.)

“I think they’re all sort of unique and different,” said Ainge. “And on top of that, people don’t know all the things our medical staff has done to save guys.”

He then tackled my email in-box.

“The KG thing was an injury that happened that was unpredictable,” said Ainge of the larger than expected bone spur and ancillary problems. “As a matter of fact, they didn’t really know the seriousness of KG’s injury until they were in surgery. Through all the tests and all the MRIs and everything, they didn’t completely know — which is common.”

The O’Neal matter was hard, too, for the Celtics to deal with. The team had been so much better with him on the floor that season, leading Ainge to deal away Perkins, who was up for a contract that summer that could upset the Celt salary cart. Then O’Neal turned out to be the Big Fragile.

“With Shaq, he was healthy and ready to come back, but Shaq reinjured his Achilles tendon when he came back and played,” Ainge said. “So at the time that we made the trade, first of all, Perk wasn’t healthy, and we knew that. Perk had a sprained knee and didn’t play for two months in Oklahoma City after the trade. And he was really never healthy that year.

“The Shaq part of it is there was risk. We knew there was some risk, but we did believe that he would be healthy.”

Ainge also refuted flatly O’Neal’s later claim that he had told the Celtics not to make the trade because he was not going to be able to play the full remainder of the season.

“He did not say that to me,” Ainge said. “Now, that happened when Shaq reinjured his leg, but that did not happen before the trade. He never said that to me before the trade.”

 



When a Celtic player goes down. I fear what cover up will happen. I feel bad for Doc, because he seems to play dumb when the media bombs him with injury questions. I find it hard to believe that he's not aware of what's going on, or at least more than what's being said. I wrote about the injuries a few days ago. But this era of Celtics basketball has been rough to say the least. After the Celtics raised banner 17, it's become nothing but hardships.

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7 Comments

Reply paul
7:50 AM on February 17, 2013 
The media doesn't bomb Ainge. They cover for him. Here Bulpett FINALLY asks him some SLIGHTLY tough questions, and then just swallows Ainge's answers, which are a load of crap. Whether it's a GM lying about an insane trade he made, or a pol lying about the economy, or about war, or a CEO lying about how safe their product is, it all happens because the media are essentially PR wings of those entities.

Ainge's comments about Shaq are just laughable. It's comedy, folks. It's a comedy routine. He knew very well that Shaq coming back was iffy, AT BEST, and that Jermaine likely wouldn't be back, and certainly wouldn't be the center we needed, BUT ... he thought he could use Shaq's supposed return to cover his butt. And he's still doing it. And it's so laughable, but the thing is, on a serious note, if authority figures can lie to us so brazenly about something as simple and obvious and harmless as this, what else do they lie about?

A lot of things. Maybe everything.
Reply Franklin
1:56 PM on February 17, 2013 
This is some of the toughest questions I've seen when it comes to Ainge being asked about injuries. Right on Shawn, and agree with you as well Paul when you say it's laughable about Shaq.
Reply rcraig617
6:48 PM on February 17, 2013 
This is hard to take a specific side on. With the shaq injury perkins was injured and in my honest opinion he was injured that year and he wouldn't have been effective enough for us to beat miami anyway. The only game in the playoffs that year that we won was the game that shaq played in. Also as you can see when okc matches up with miami perkins barely plays because he's a liability on offense and his defense hasn't been the same since his torn acl. I believe we would've won the year in the finals vs the lakers in that game 7 but that was the year before so i agree with the perkins trade. I think danny still should've went and signed a serviceable big so that if shaq couldn't come back and jermain got injured (which always seemes to happened to him). Also I honestly don't know whether to believe if shaq told him not to trade perk or not but regardless that was a good trade in my opinion.
Reply paul
11:20 PM on February 17, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
This is hard to take a specific side on. With the shaq injury perkins was injured and in my honest opinion he was injured that year and he wouldn't have been effective enough for us to beat miami anyway. The only game in the playoffs that year that we won was the game that shaq played in. Also as you can see when okc matches up with miami perkins barely plays because he's a liability on offense and his defense hasn't been the same since his torn acl. I believe we would've won the year in the finals vs the lakers in that game 7 but that was the year before so i agree with the perkins trade. I think danny still should've went and signed a serviceable big so that if shaq couldn't come back and jermain got injured (which always seemes to happened to him). Also I honestly don't know whether to believe if shaq told him not to trade perk or not but regardless that was a good trade in my opinion.


rcraig, we were great when Shaq was healthy. No one is arguing with that. But the idea that he was going to come back was laughable. It was a joke and should have been treated as such. Perk was a vital part of the Celtics team at that time. It took a combination of Shaq and Jermaine to effectively replace him. Even with his injury problems, he helped OKC go to the semifinals, losing to the eventual champion. There's no justification whatsoever for what Ainge did. The reasons that have been given for it are nonsense. Doc himself admitted after the season was over that the timing was wrong. But it was ALL ABOUT TIMING. Had Ainge made that same trade either earlier or later, you could actually make an argument for it.
Reply paul
11:21 PM on February 17, 2013 
Franklin says...
This is some of the toughest questions I've seen when it comes to Ainge being asked about injuries. Right on Shawn, and agree with you as well Paul when you say it's laughable about Shaq.


Ainge has been given a pass for so long.
Reply rcraig617
2:56 AM on February 18, 2013 
paul says...
rcraig, we were great when Shaq was healthy. No one is arguing with that. But the idea that he was going to come back was laughable. It was a joke and should have been treated as such. Perk was a vital part of the Celtics team at that time. It took a combination of Shaq and Jermaine to effectively replace him. Even with his injury problems, he helped OKC go to the semifinals, losing to the eventual champion. There's no justification whatsoever for what Ainge did. The reasons that have been given for it are nonsense. Doc himself admitted after the season was over that the timing was wrong. But it was ALL ABOUT TIMING. Had Ainge made that same trade either earlier or later, you could actually make an argument for it.

Well true shaq coming back was a huge longshot. But if you were ainge and what would you have did at that deadline? I also believe we should've even kept nate that year when rondo broke his elbow nate could've come in and been a threat even though delonte was serviceable. One last thing I don't think ainge could've made that trade after the season because perks deal was done.
Reply paul
8:41 AM on February 18, 2013 
rcraig617 says...
Well true shaq coming back was a huge longshot. But if you were ainge and what would you have did at that deadline? I also believe we should've even kept nate that year when rondo broke his elbow nate could've come in and been a threat even though delonte was serviceable. One last thing I don't think ainge could've made that trade after the season because perks deal was done.


I think a whole mythology has built up to justify the Perk trade. I find that fairly shocking, honestly. The basic notion of trading off your starting center, the heart of your defense, a key guy to your team chemistry, basically on the verge of the playoffs when you are in title contention, admittedly over contract concerns --- it's just doesn't even rise to the level of serious consideration, much less the kind of alleged INEVITABILITY that The Trade's many advocates have posed for it.

I would say this: were it not for the media and blog cheerleading for Ainge, shooting flack and breaking wedges, folks would have quickly have recognized that the Emperor had no clothes on that one, and they would have asked WHAT WAS THE REAL REASON?