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The End of the End

Posted by GeeZeeCeltics on June 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM


This past week has been a real circus for the Celtics faithful. Doc Rivers' prolonged silence despite the rising noise around his (in)decision has many worried, and it is fair to feel that way. My, how things have changed. Previously, it seemed that it was in Ainge's hands to determine the future of Paul Pierce. Now, it seems, Doc is holding Danny hostage, if the stories are true. If Doc is gone, Garnett likely is, as well, and then the Celtics are left with an aging Pierce. Then they'd have let him go, too. If you wanted a rebuild, this is it right here - full blown.


It's not entirely that bad, if you look at it. The rumored deal includes a few draft picks, an expiring Butler, DeAndre Jordan and somebody else, say, Eric Bledsoe. Out with the old, in with the new. Toss that in with Rondo, Green, Sullinger and Bradley together with whoever the C's pick this year in the draft and you have an up and coming core. Awesome, right?


Nah, it ain't that rosy. Who's gonna coach these kids? This is the main reason why I didn't swoon when I first saw this deal. The one man being rumored as Doc's successor is f*****g Vinny Del Negro. Sure, it's clear that no top coach would come in here for a rebuild. But this?


Just think about Rondo's potential relationship with a new coach. It's no secret that Rondo is a volatile guy. On this team, he'd be the #1 option, the leader. Given his increased role and his personality, I have a hard time picturing him respecting someone like Del Negro. And how would that work with a team that wouldn't be winning anymore? Rajon is extremely comptetitive, he's of the KG mold. If you steer that in the wrong direction, it can cause problems in the locker room. Do we want that with our prime star?


It is important to have a winning attitude on a team. That is what sets apart the Bobcats and the Kings of the NBA from the success stories that are the Thunder and Bulls. Without Doc, the person to teach that aspect is gone. I could handle a rebuild if it was under Rivers because he is such a great motivator of players and generally a leader. But I am unsure if it is wise to jump into the abyss without him in tow. Personally, I always thought that the retreat to a rebuild should happen gradually, with a passing of the torch. This harsh yank smells like a massive risk to me. A risk I would probably not take.

 


So there you have it. While my entire Twitter feed is going crazy, thinking about what life could be if this nightmare goes through, I am left in a somber mood. Legends like Doc, Paul and Kevin don't come around often. I think it's a little insane to let them all leave and just take such a big leap of faith.


Then again, sometimes you need to do exactly that. To be honest, this does look like the best detonation scenario Danny has gotten close to. Will he pull the trigger?


We can only wait and watch.


P.S. As I write this, Adrian Wojnarowski, who is as credible as it comes, reports that the Celtics are deep in discussion with the Clippers about a trade. It looks more and more like reality that a golden era has come to an abrupt end.

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24 Comments

Reply paul
6:09 PM on June 15, 2013 
I'm actually really really looking forward to the changes. I think it very quickly became clear at the end of this last season that none of the major players were interested in taking a constructive approach to figuring out what went wrong this last season. There was no sign of that whatsoever, apart from Danny and Rondo, actually, and maybe not really enough from them. It is definitely time to clear the decks, so to speak. Let's get on with the next phase. I would have liked to see things work out differently, but oftentimes in life, that just can't happen.

The choice of a coach is key. Some folks have been saying that Del Negro = tank job. That sounds about right. Everything right now is, or should be, revolving around Rondo - but is Rondo even being consulted? And has he himself made any commitments, eg. to cut out the unbelievably crappy matador defense? He can lead, but DOES HE REALLY WANT TO? Or would he prefer to be Miss Red Bull 2013!!!!

Phil Jackson. Some might laugh, but we need a coach who wants to work with a potentially transformative young player, and one who has enough gravitas that his ego isn't on the line, yet he can get the attention of a stubborn young divo. If there is a young couch who can do that, and who can, by the way, design an offense, then that's what we need.
Reply paul
6:27 PM on June 15, 2013 
Something else no one is pointing out: this whole thing is ALREADY a giant eff you from Doc and KG to Rondo, which has already, in my view, passed the point of no return. Let's face it - if this goes through, Doc and KG are swapping Rondo for Chris Paul, in essence (though Blake is a big piece too, obviously). I just hope Rondo gets it. You have a lot to prove, Rondo. It's not just Allen now. It's the other three too (assuming Pierce goes to the Clippers as well). Time to think about having a chip on your shoulder next time you are healthy and step out on the court to lead a team. Time to make a statement about who you are as a player
Reply paul
6:44 PM on June 15, 2013 
I read a comment that someone thinks Rondo is pushing Doc out. I actually could believe that. Doc has shown that he cannot, or will not, design an offense for Rondo, it seems to me.
Reply paul
6:59 PM on June 15, 2013 
Ah - I see that both Flannery and Rohrbach have commented on this - Rondo to have legendary eff you season....
Reply GeeZeeCeltics
7:09 PM on June 15, 2013 
For what it's worth, they're now saying Clippers are moving on without Doc for the coaching position and that talks have stalled.
Reply celts
7:11 PM on June 15, 2013 
i don't think kg is giving an fu to rondo because first of all there really close, second of all kg lives in la he has 1 year left probs and they want pieces kg is willing to take off his no trade clause so they can start getting pieces for the rebuild the doc one though might piss off rondo because its not that i think they have problems with each other personally because i think there pretty close, but to me it'll be telling him that doc doesn't think hes good enough to be number 1 and that might sting.
Reply C'slife
7:38 PM on June 15, 2013 
paul says...
I read a comment that someone thinks Rondo is pushing Doc out. I actually could believe that. Doc has shown that he cannot, or will not, design an offense for Rondo, it seems to me.


I think Rondo has been very faithful to Doc. Doc has said so in the press, but with trade crap. What the hell is Doc thinking. I believe it's too late to go back.
Reply Celticslifer
7:40 PM on June 15, 2013 
This comment is @Paul. I think KG is honestly an innocent guy who got drug into this by the media. I think this is all Doc,and I'm sure all will be forgotten. For me this is hearbreaking that any of this even happened. Doc's silence has proven to be why this has even happened.
Reply shawn cassidy
7:48 PM on June 15, 2013 
Thanks for the post. It's amazing how quick reports change. Now it's dead? This entire thing has shaken my core a bit. Pierce and KG could be innocent as I see someone has said. I believe that. I think it's clear that they want Doc back next year that's KG and Pierce. Those guys are too old for a coaching change. I fear what's going on in Rondo's mind. He's our leader and future. What's the message that he feels from all of this. Maybe this is bigger than it was supposed to be. Either way this is something that I can't let go. Unless someone explains to me why this even happened. Just the fact that Doc has been silent tells me he had a big hand in this. Which is sad.
Reply rcraig617
7:50 PM on June 15, 2013 
This is a circus and this is gonna be terrible as great as rondo is he's going to need help and deandre jordan and eric bledsoe will not bring that.
Reply paul
8:00 PM on June 15, 2013 
Ha - it's already dead in the water?!! Lol!

But the repercussions of this will go on. I doubt this went as far as it seems to have gone without some ok from Doc and KG. But think what you want guys. Believe what you are told.
Reply paul
11:25 PM on June 15, 2013 
I mean, of course some mind-reading and reading-between-the-lines is involved, sure. Even if you want to say that this deal apparently coming so close to being a reality DOESN'T involve any acquiescence, not to say eagerness, from Doc and KG, you are reading between the lines. But I'd say that common sense tells you that Doc and KG have to be at least somewhat on board here, and probably a lot more than just somewhat on board, and I think Rajon Rondo can read the implications of that without anyone helping him do it.

It's crazy what some folks are saying about this - eg. that this deal doesn't imply any disloyalty between Doc and the Celtics. That's like trying to persuade your boyfriend or girlfriend that it's totally understandable that you want to try dating someone else who you know they will agree is way hotter, and has more money too, but of course if it doesn't work out you want to come back, and it will still be all hugs and kisses. Good grief!

It looks very much like Doc is saying something pretty unpleasant about coaching the Celtics and about coaching Rajon Rondo, and KG doesn't hotly disagree. I'm sorry, Danny, but you should have made this move while the door is still open. You can't push the milk back into the bowl. Now we will have an more disaffected relationship than ever between Rondo and the rest of the team. So what is next? More Rondo trade rumors?
Reply GeeZeeCeltics
8:47 AM on June 16, 2013 
This will surely have an impact on how things work out further, but I find myself having a hard time being very angry at Doc. I'm a little displeased at how this was handled, but I understand him wanting to win a ring with Kevin and Paul. They're VERY close. He probably realizes he won't be able to do it in Boston and then perhaps thought that the Clips would budge on the deal they refused at the trade deadline if he put himself up for sale. It didn't work out? Back to business.
Reply paul
8:52 AM on June 16, 2013 
GeeZeeCeltics says...
This will surely have an impact on how things work out further, but I find myself having a hard time being very angry at Doc. I'm a little displeased at how this was handled, but I understand him wanting to win a ring with Kevin and Paul. They're VERY close. He probably realizes he won't be able to do it in Boston and then perhaps thought that the Clips would budge on the deal they refused at the trade deadline if he put himself up for sale. It didn't work out? Back to business.



I'm not angry at Doc either, GeeZee. Let him do what he wants. I don't care. I just don't want him back. You say it's back to business. Really? Gee Zee, haven't you claimed that there is no emotion in business, or something to that effect? Only that's wrong. Business is very emotional. Don't kid yourself. Doc just got up out of bed with the Clippers, it seems, and he comes back to us with his clothes half off, lipstick all over his face, with tears on his face saying he still loves us. Well, Danny may fall for that, but as far as I'm concerned, the candles are off the table, the dinner is in the garbage disposal, and the couch has a blanket and pillow on it, with suitcases nearby.

Bye Doc. Don't bother with goodbyes. Take your pictures and your minions with you.
Reply paul
8:57 AM on June 16, 2013 
Consider too that Doc reportedly wrecked the deal by demanding that the Clippers not trade Bledsoe. That means he wanted to stiff us into the bargain.
Reply GeeZeeCeltics
9:02 AM on June 16, 2013 
I know that a lot of people feel that way, I'm just saying I don't. It makes sense to be pissed at Doc but I somehow am not. I even struggle to answer why, it's just an inner feeling. It's like I understand Doc and why he did what he did.
Reply paul
9:03 AM on June 16, 2013 
paul says...
Consider too that Doc reportedly wrecked the deal by demanding that the Clippers not trade Bledsoe. That means he wanted to stiff us into the bargain.


Basically, the deal was looking like Deandre Jordan and two lame picks for Doc and KG, right? I mean if Doc (as we heard reported). I can't remember if Butler was in there or not - hardly seems to matter. That's not much of a deal. What it shows is that Doc's mentality is already down the road, and KG isn't far behind him. Time for a clean sweep.
Reply paul
9:06 AM on June 16, 2013 
GeeZeeCeltics says...
I know that a lot of people feel that way, I'm just saying I don't. It makes sense to be pissed at Doc but I somehow am not. I even struggle to answer why, it's just an inner feeling. It's like I understand Doc and why he did what he did.


There's no reason to be ticked off. That would be taking all this crap way too seriously. I only get seriously ticked off when I see Dwayne Wade hammering someone and the league gives him a pat on the head, and even that is nothing more than rasslin', really. It's not to be taken seriously.

Doc wants his own little slice of Ray Allen World, it seems, and who can blame him?

If I were Rajon Rondo I'd be ticked though...
Reply GeeZeeCeltics
9:08 AM on June 16, 2013 
paul says...
Basically, the deal was looking like Deandre Jordan and two lame picks for Doc and KG, right? I mean if Doc (as we heard reported). I can't remember if Butler was in there or not - hardly seems to matter. That's not much of a deal. What it shows is that Doc's mentality is already down the road, and KG isn't far behind him. Time for a clean sweep.


Ainge wanted KG/Pierce (likely)/Doc for Jordan/Bledsoe/Butler/Two 1sts. Clippers, however, wanted to counter with Jordan/Butler/one 1st. Neither would budge.

What this whole thing shows to me is that the trio wants to win very badly. Nothing else, really.
Reply paul
9:19 AM on June 16, 2013 
GeeZeeCeltics says...
Ainge wanted KG/Pierce (likely)/Doc for Jordan/Bledsoe/Butler/Two 1sts. Clippers, however, wanted to counter with Jordan/Butler/one 1st. Neither would budge.

What this whole thing shows to me is that the trio wants to win very badly. Nothing else, really.


Is that all it says to you? But why does winning matter? You speak of all this as though the deeper parts of the human soul were simply disconnected from it! At least that's how it seems to me. Doc, KG and PP are acting like mercenaries, like the Three Amigos looking for a score. Remember that only makes a good movie if the mercs learn, to their surprise, that loyalty does matter, as in the Seven Samurai, and that it might be even more important than winning.

Doc, KG and PP are gone in their heads, it appears. The door needs to be closed. The sooner the better.

I think you go the deal wrong though, GeeZee. PP hasn't been a part of it yet. He's the other foot, I think. If they add Pierce in, the deal becomes bigger. I wonder if Blake might be in play, regardless of the word that the Clippers won't trade him. Doc, KG and PP are a lot to give up. How about those three, and more too if the Clips want, for Blake and Jordan? If I were Danny, I'd be shooting for that.